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Q: In the Tarot cards making them, how should I put the symmetrical figures, should they be in the center of the thing or on the side?
Forces: Whatever you seem to do.
Q: Do you have an idea that could help me, I know must be that way somewhere above, they must be made?
Forces: We would focus on the sides.
Q: Could you give a picture of the new trump card called the Unknown, the Ghost, that could be made into a card?
Forces: More or less different feelings, but it is White Horse that has an iry figure on top, which a fire wand or a sword is placed in it.
Q: Any sort of background?
Forces: Dark and white at the same time.(?black and white checker board).
Q: What would be the meaning of the card?
Forces: Transition from the physical consciousness or mental mind allowing the spiritual force to come in.
Q: The card you gave me last time called the unknown Ghost, does it have in the left hand side of a Big Dipper?
Forces: It has a, it has a Heart, yeah.
Q: It also has like stars shooting by?
Forces: A comet, yes.
Q: Could you help me understand what the Hanged Man is?
Forces: This is one of the forms of initiations. The Egyptians would put the initiate, hanging that person from the scaffold by the ankle for 42 hrs.
Q: Also is there any…are Gypsies descended from a lost tribe of Israel?
Forces: The gypsies as has been known were the priestess and the priest of Egypt.
Q: Thank you.
Q: Could you explain what the Tarot card the Star represents?
Forces: It represents the psychic opening of the 3rd eye and inspiration.
Q: Could you give which 5 of the 5 Books of Moses go along with which 5 suits of Tarot?
Forces: Leviticus would work more with it and then Numbers. More the Numbers than anything.
Q: Does it go along ?
Forces: Numbers would go along with it.
Q: Like with all 5 suits?
Forces: Leviticus would be the last 2.
Q: Would the other 8 trumps that are talked about in (God of Tarot/Anthony) the new trumps that are not in the 22 would they be found in that first 6 chapters of Genesis, like you said the other Trumps?
Forces: They are to be found in the 3rd Book of Genesis and the 4th Book of Genesis. In the 10th verse and in the 4th verse of the next.
Q: You mean the chapters?
Forces: The 3rd chapter 10th to the end and the 4th chapter the 4th to the end.
Q: Could you explain how the Tarot goes along with the animation Tarot, the aura?
Forces: The Tarot affects the aura levels of consciousness by the colors and pictures and association and this affects the thought processes in this area.
Session 385/386
11/1/81-11/10/81
Q: Could you help me understand the dream I had the other night with […]? Doing cards all night with..?
Forces: This is more of a showing dynamic insight to new Tarot cards.
Q: What sort of Tarot cards?
Forces: There is no territory, but that in which of creativity and explanation on card level, an expression, an expansion to new consciousness in man that is developing. Man is at the point of developing on a astral level his spiritual astral body to bring it more into vision.
Session (?)
Q: Concerning the relationship of the Tarot cards to the days of the month, can it be said that cards 1-21 correspond to the first 21 days of the month?
Forces: This is true.
Q: And that the Fool, the Zero would not particularly correspond to any single day?
Forces: That, Fool deals with the 22 day.
Q: What about days 23-30 or 31. Are there more cards that aren’t revealed or are there other representations that can be found?
Forces: There are other cards that supercede from the beginning and bring it on to a higher level.
Q: Would that be starting at one again?
Forces: One versus the, too the higher power or one versus that of merger with the last one.
Q: So it is like a blend of the first and last?
Forces: On and on yes.
Q: Do I understand about the Duat, what they call in Egypt is the same as Daath in the Kabalah?
Forces: Yes.
Q: And also what they call Sokar in Egyptian is the same as Zohar?
Forces: Yes.
Q: And the gate to the Duat was what they called the Ros-Tau, you reverse it and you get the Tarot?
Forces: Yes.
Q: And the Torah?
Forces: Exactly.
Q: Could you tell me what Horus represents?
Forces: This is the quality in the earth. It would bring judgement and virtue. It is the balancing factor within the will and the heart. When the heart and the will operate together there is justice and wisdom combined. Its above (). It also is a taker from the earth to bring on to the 4th dimension.
Q: Would he be close to the Speaker (Tarot Card)?
Forces: We find it as the expression of the force communication energy from one field to the other.
Session 294
3/24/80
Q: Is the first 6 chapters, the Tarot cards in general as we worked out last night, is that correct?
Forces: Yes you would find what you were going through is not only correct but it fell into place.
Q: In doing the Tarot I reversed the Emperor and the Empress to apply to the 6 chapters?
Forces: Well your speaking about the 6th root race aspect, this could be done now.
Q: With the first six chapters of Genesis do I understand the Tarot cards: one card for the first chapter, two cards for the next chapter and on down the line?
Forces: Correct.
Q: The card for Seth in the Bible, would that be the Wheel of Fortune or the Chariot?
Forces: The Chariot.
Q: In the Bible where it says after Enos, "Then began men to call upon the Name of the Lord", why does it say that?
Forces: Because up to that point they had been doing other aspects of growth consciousness, rather than developing into a spirit consciousness. A different name manifested into the earth.
Q: So they were doing something further away and then they started to turn back to God?
Forces: Well, they didn’t turn back to a
Spirit-God but names of gods.
Q: Is the resurrection mentioned in Genesis chapter 6 and 7.
Forces: You would find the resurrection involved there.
Q: What part is it exactly?
Forces: It is brought through the 3rd…5th chapter beginning…well we would say the 5th chapter, you would have it recorded in the 4th, 5th, 6th verse.
Q: Where would the last card be?
Forces: In the invisible center.
Q: In the world?
Forces: Correct.
Q: Could you tell me what Tarot card would go at the end of Genesis chapter 3?
Forces: (Thaou)(Thao) Tarot card of Thao(Tau?)
Q: What would go at the ending of chapter 4?
Forces: The Lumex.
Forces: Thao(Tau?) is the man or the Magician of Thought. The Lumex is something like you.
Q: Lameck?
Q: What is..?
Forces: The ox.
Q: What does it correspond to?
Forces: Ox-Chariot.
Q: Why does it seem to be so confusing, the breaking point between those two chapters?
Forces: It’s called the Penacle of the what would(will) be known as the kloskitz.
Q: As the what?
Forces: Penacle of the Kloskitz.
Q: What does that represent?
Forces: Represents the Arch and the Wouffle of the Yogodos.
Q: The Tau you mean is the Tau the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet?
Forces: Tau-Tau-Man-Yes.
Q: And the lameck is also lamed?
Forces: Lameck-Lamick-Lamick.
Q: Lamad?
Q: So you are actually talking about a whole word, not just a letter?
Forces: Word, Letter, Symbols.
Q: The Tower of Babel, would that be the Lightning Struck Tower?
Forces: More or less the mental mind.
Q: The Tarot game that we are working on, what more or less should be the rules that we should go toward for outside understanding to be able to…?
Forces: You could slowly picture face, pictures, colors, pictures, colored cards, pictured cards, large numbers, bold for blind people to see, and a different colored boards simple.
Q: Do I understand correctly that the 48 Trumps unite with the 96 lower letter cards?
Forces: It can yes.
Q: Each Trump would equal two lower cards?
Forces: Yes.
Q: Trumps would be above lower cards and come down and unite with them?
Forces: It can yes.
Q: In the Kabbalah it says two higher cards come down and embrace one lower card. But here it says one higher is embraced by two lower cards?
Forces: The one always comes to the two.
Q: So its the pyramid up and the pyramid down. the Star of David?
Forces: In reality yes.
Cut # 3
Q: Why is Ezekiel called the son of man?
Forces: Revelation of mankind and the laws of God.
Q: In the first chapter of Ezekiel the Holy Living Creatures. What are they?
Session 141
January 14, 1978
Forces: This is a movement of force that surrounds body above, below, within, without and forces within that need to be worked with.
Q: Thank you.
Q: Who was the man clothed in linen under Cherubim wings?
Forces: This was he. We have many such walking under the wings. There are many throughout book that have done such.
Q: Who is the man on lower levels?
Forces: The spirit of Christ with the laws.
Q: Thank you.
Q: The drawings of the ship Ezekiel saw…
Forces: What Ezekiel saw was the revelation of the laws to come to man in the distant future.
Q: Is the way I wrote it correct?
Forces: That would be adequate.
Session 142
January 21, 1978
Q: The throne would be the pineal?
Forces: Correct.
Q: And on down the line to the center of the gyro?
Forces: Correct. Question.
Session 148
Q: In the beginning of Ezekiel there are certain numbers; 3,4,5. You said that there was a Pythagorean theorem?
Forces: It could have a solid foundation in this area.
Q: What does that represent, the theorem?
Forces: It represents the astral and the physical body merging on the spiritual level.
Session 300
Q: Would you say what galaxy the man in Ezekiel?
Forces: Well let us say comes from the galaxy that is found in Andromeda.
Q: Book of Changes in Bible?
Forces: Urim Revelation and Leviticus. Thummin Genesis and Deuteronomy.
Q: Am I correct on the Urim and Thummin being the cards?
Forces: Well yes before, the forward type part of the cards, the beginning of the cards.
Q: That means they weren’t cards?
Forces: More power to them. Yes.
Q: In the diagram, is it correct that the lower reflections you were talking about before, they reflect two times and that gives you the rest of the cards?
Forces: It helps you to understand the rest of the cards. Yes.
Q: That’s the way they will fit together in a cube?
Forces: Yes, exactly.
Q: Could you give me an example of the card the Magician, what psalm?
Forces: Psalm 14.
Q: Are the platforms then two and then one on top and one on top, almost like a dining room?
Forces: Yes it could be done that way.
Q: How do the dot figures, tribes, rivers correlate in a reading?
Forces: In a different form version, one aligning itself to the other.
Q: In the cube, is that correct the cube is six, in the Franklin cube?
Forces: Yes.
Q: And also in the sixth, the fifth being the Twelve Apostles?
Forces: Yes.
Q: And the sixth the Tribes?
Forces: Yes.
Q: And the seventh would be the Seals that Tom said?
Forces: Yes.
Q: Do each of the cards of the major arcane of the Tarot deck represent a person in the five books of Moses?
Forces: Torah? Tarot? Each represents a quality in the physical body of man growing into the spiritual and mental bodies. Different concepts involve different developments. You should pursue this with thorough investigation and psychic perception.
Q: Is Revelation …are the chapters marked off correctly as they are now?
Forces: We would find them adequately marked.
Q: Do they go along with the Tarot card from one to twenty two?
Forces: This is an aspect that would added to the aspect of that of developing finished products. It would develop the one to twenty-two aspect but under a different light field.
Q: On the Tarot Cards, the 22 major cards. It was said before that there are 22 galaxies. Are these cards like you visualize each one, you go into that particular galaxy?
Forces: Each particular galaxy in the 22 series represents a finite being of development and experience. Each particular galaxy makes up a series of lessons and groups of learning ability. And each has its potential of its own development and spheres of expression. There are those 22 major forces in these galaxies that has a strong connection with the pattern of the names. None the less these particular cards you do mention connect nicely, put into the order it would prescribe.
Session 74
July 9, 1975
Q: Can you give us any of the history of why the Tarot was first made?
Forces: It was made for the persecutions of what would be called the priests of Egypt, more so of Atlantis. When the persecution began with that of, we would say the four major kings of Atlantis or five major kings of Atlantis joining together, then the war started the breaking apart. Then the secrets of the spiritual world had to be preserved and was put in metal tablets, carved in metal tablets, then transferred over to Egypt and the Yucatan, and buried, as you all know, in the right sphinx paw and in the box of one of the steps leading up the many pyramids in the Yucatan.
Q: How did the cards come from that…how did resurface . . .?
Forces: They really did not resurface into the public until recently, but they were always around in the royalty in the high courts. They were always involved with those who were leading governments, but they were not officially as much as they are today and never before involved with the public.
Q: Thank you.
Q: How come Archangel Michael is my favorite Archangel and which Tarot card is representative of me?
Forces: We could say temperance. Favorite because he is strong. Question.
Q: What does the Tarot card Strength represent?
Forces: This is the inner power realization of matter around. Matter from a different focus.
Q: What sort of matter?
Forces: More organic and less physical elements of matter.
Q: Was there a Tarot card in reference to working things out in a dream level or getting your answers through the dreams?
Forces: There is the card of the wands from the clouds that could be interpreted this way.
Q: Would the suits in the Tarot cards, you have one called the Hearts. Does this go along with the thymus center?
Forces: Of course this goes directly along with it.
Q: And the swords what would that be.
Forces: The sword is what would be the solar plexus.
Q: And the wand?
Forces: The wand is what would be called the thyroid.
Q: And the Pentacles?
Forces: The pentacles is the balance between the leyden center.
Q: The leyden and the gonad?
Forces: Just the leyden.
Q: So the gonads wouldn’t be in there?
Forces: No, we have them placed at their own workings.
Q: How would they be working in the Tarot?
Forces: These really worked within the Key Master cards. Some of the Key Master cards, as the Searcher and the other factors of knights (nights) ?
Q: The Searcher, the Seeker you mean?
Forces: Correct.
Q: What is the meaning of the following Tarot cards: The High Priestess. . . should I continue?
Forces: This represents the quality within those who are on the path of enlightenment and the certain qualities of judgement and wisdom mixed within the book of learning and the structure and understanding of that power in all that they do. It is in the qualities of the females who usually lies the spiritual powers adequately.
Q: You mentioned in the last session that in the Tarot the World is to be placed where the Lovers are. Does that mean that all the other cards go down in order, or are any of the others switched?
Forces: The Lovers are the aspect of male-female within self. Not a physical, worldly sex concept of love, of male female family type aspect of lovey-dovey. Love is within self first. Loving thyself, that is loving the qualities of male female and understanding them. Many so often approach love with a demented form of expression. When that is not fulfilled, there is much frustration and detriment to the soul, body, and mind. In the relationship of love, it is never a taking and or satisfying and of saying "My husband should serve me" and My wife should give me". It is always a giving of the other partner, never what one should want. For when one goes into marriage saying " If you love me, you will do this, this, and this", then that marriage is on the wrong course and should be changed. Yes, all cards are subjected to Love, but so is the Universe. That does not make the cards any less thereafter that follow.
Q: So does the Hebrew letters change?
Forces: The Hebrew letters of the world never change. From the foundation of time, they were created. There is no change with the Hebrew form.
Q: In Chronicles one you said we could find all the court cards?
Forces: Yes.
Q: What part of it?
Forces: 10th chapter, 10th verse.
Q: In the Tarot we are working on, showed me the kings, are they correct?
Forces: We would find them to be, yes.
Q: And all the pages, are they correct, except the one for water?
Forces: Yes.
Q: What would be the page for water?
Forces: We would find that to be more of a carrying of a pitcher.
Q: Would it be a person in the Bible picture?
Forces: We would more-so find that to be the Ark of Noah.
Q: So that would be the page?
Forces: Yes.
Q: The four ace cards, they go by themselves like Trumps?
Forces: Right.
Q: Like the four elements?
Forces: Right.
Q: Then there are 36 left over and they correspond to the 36 righteous men and form the pattern like in the Book of Solomon?
Forces: You could do that. Yes.
Q: On the Tarot,[…] was discussing between sessions about the 36 minor prophets, is that correct?
Forces: Yes.
Q: When you speak of the 4 suits like in the Tarot, does that relate to the Torah.
Forces: It would relate to this.
Q: It would be eliminating Genesis. It would relate to the other 4 books?
Forces: It could establish itself in all 5 books of Moses, including the 3 books are forgotten.
Q: What were those books?
Forces: They’re forgotten.
Q: What happened to them?
Forces: When man turns away from the spiritual force of life, the laws of Moses and the originality is taken away from him. For him to crope and stroff in the stones of the earth and start from the beginning of, remember only what you put into the spirit do you retain and get out of the spirit. You can not fake it. Either you put into the spirit and you shall take from the spirit. Or you put not into the spirit and you take not from the spirit. You can only take so much from the earth and then it is stagnant. Seeds must be planted into the earth to have a rebirth. Rebirth is the function of the soul within the body to rekindle back in the earth from the beginning of time, the spirit of wisdom. Mark yea the steps forward, each one in a cell, A to Z, Aleph to Beth, all things from the beginning has a purpose. All work has a cabalistic number. Remember this, you cannot start with Gimel. You can’t start with ?(The). You must start from the beginning of the force and through each step on a occult level go through. No matter how much you want to get to the end of the alphabet, you will not progress through it by violating the occult law of step line and step. Remember every step, every deed, every task, every force must be followed by a system of choice, must be followed by a system of voice, for voice within you will guide you through it. Each step must be honored and each step must be respected. If you force, if you fudge, if you cheat, the steps will reveal you the quality of the cheater. So the occult law is everything is matched perfectly and you being perfect will be the perfector.
Q: On the 8 Books of Moses, the last time you told me they were 3 elements like in the blood. Do I understand Sulphur, Mercury, and Salt of the Alchemist?
Forces: Yes.
Q: I still get the feeling there are 3 books.
Forces: There is.
Q: Where are they located?
Forces: Spain, Portugal.
Q: Could you tell what the Hebrew letters are and where they came from?
Forces: (What sounds like a sneeze comes forth) That is how it was developed. By the breath of God, they exploded into the atmosphere and the sound became the drive and the power became the Word. Each sound was the expression of the gods.
Q: Was that correct about the dream I had with the alphabet letters and the code, the blue?
Forces: The alphabet and the letters and the code should be undertaken which would be called the fourth center within the body. The alphabet is the leading of that which is called the psychomat or that of the nervous system. In other words, to put it on a simpler term, you must learn how to be A.) Comfortable with your self; B.) Patient with yourself; C.) Apply this particular dream as communication to you that you must go through the alphabet or the ABC’s of Patience. In order to get to Z. you must go through the other centers and other development sides of development of these characteristic letters. The blue represents that of tranquility that would be only yours when patience is applied and faith is under-taken to the course in which you must follow.
Q: Thank you. Is there anything else that we could learn about the…about the way the alphabet corresponds with the musical notes?
Forces: A, B. C, D, E, F. G. There’s your notes.
Q: Is it correct that the Kabala, say for instance, or all of the mystic…mystic books and the Bible can be played by assigning a letter of the alphabet to a letter on the keyboard?
Forces: This could be done in an accurate fashion, causing a great deal of harmony for all those who wish to learn.
Q: Would the first eight letters correspond exactly to the keyboard, "A" through "G"?
Forces: It could be made out to be this.
Q: Would there be a better way?
Forces: This is the best.
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