Chapter 07
published 3 April 04

Session 143

January 22, 1978

Q: How many of the sons of Jacob made it?

Forces: This is a growing concern for us. It represents the nations of the world. It will take time for that to express and manifest into its fruitful place.

Q: Wouldn’t it be just three, the same as with Jesus?

Forces: It would be an interesting discussion on that, as three would have made it at that time.

Q: Is Joseph included in the three or not?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Included?

Forces: Joseph is included above the three.

Q: So it’s three besides Joseph?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Could you tell us the names of them?

Forces: Judah, Laban.

Q: Who? Laban?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Laban wasn’t a son.

Forces: Laban was the one who had what would be considered a clean heart. He was the pure aspects that each one strives for.

Q: He was the father-in-law of Jacob, right?

Forces: Nonetheless, the brother of Rebekah. This is the clean spirit that would fulfill and succeed the making. Also, it represerrts part of the entity’s name. But now, you have Dan and you have the two sons of Joseph, making what?

Q: So it’s Joseph, Judah, is one, Laban is two, and the two sons of Joseph is three, and Dan.

Forces: Correct.

Q: I see. What nation would Laban represent?

Forces: The psychic nation..

Q: So actually, what he did to Jacob he had to do…the fourteen years and all that?

Forces: Correct.

Q: So, actually he was working with those things we’ve been talking about: fears and all that?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Even though Jacob’s name was changed to Israel and he did reach another consciousness , nevertheless he was at the same consciousness as his forefathers?

Forces: Correct.

Q: So, in reality, from the time of Abraham to the time of Jacob…or I mean Joseph, there was only one that made it through?

Forces: Yes and no, more so yes.

Q: I mean as the carrier of the inheritance.

Forces: Correct.

Session 143

January 22, 1978

Q: Were our deductions about who Laban is this life time correct?

Forces: The entity Laban. We find the name Laban in his particular lifetime very much in influence with the situation around.

Q: Was Laban Merlin?

Forces: We would find it of the same pattern. Question.

Q: Why is it…If you say…Sometimes you answer immediately yes, no, and other times you don’t. What is the difference?

Forces: The difference is the question.

Q: You mean certain questions are not to be answered?

Forces: What particular question do you want answered?

Q: A lot of questions, but in this particular case, was the entity Tom Laban?

Forces: You should have asked it in that respect. We find your deductions and your assumptions and your questions correct. Question.

Q: So actually that force of Laban…Who was he at the time of Jesus then? I mean, we know it was Thomas, but yet only three made it, and Thomas was one of those three. At the time of Jacob it seems as if though four made it including Laban.

Forces: Laban was not incorporated into the three (3). It was above the three (3).

Q: And at the time of Jesus?

Forces: You need an extra help and push wherever you can get it.

Q: Was there another one besides Thomas, John, and Philip who made it?

Forces: That should be it for the moment. Question.

Q: Who was he?

Forces: Who was what?

Q: The fourth. The one that was above the three. The one that represented the same thing as Laban represented at the time of Jacob. Who was the magician?

Forces: Joseph Arimathaea.

Q: But yet Joseph Arimathaea was not Laban?

Forces: Correct.

Q: So actually Merlin, Laban, it’s really one force…

Forces: Correct.

Q: That has nothing to do with the evolution of the entity?

Forces: One force tapping into that channel. Once tapped into, goes through a progression and centers. Laban was associated in Merlin.

Q: But yet not necessarily the entity that manifested as Merlin would be the same…

Forces: Merlin was Laban.

Q: And Joseph Arimathaea, who was he at the time of Laban?

Forces: Let us say the twin aspect of Thomas.

Q: The twin aspect. The brother of Laban?

Forces: The aspect of the soul.

Q: Oh. Thank you.

Q: Now there is somewhere said that Thomas went with Jesus to Japan. Is that correct?

Forces: This is accurate.

Q: But he came back before his ministry?

Forces: This is accurate.

Q: You answered already my second question? Is that correct? The one I didn’t complete?

Forces: During the time of the crucifixion and prior to it, Jesus, Thomas, John left to go to India and Japan. While Jesus was in Japan, he transmigrated his body to Calvary, being in Japan and on Calvary at the same time, dying for all physical awareness in Calvary and transporting it from Japan to Cavalry. John, Thomas helped Jesus disappear and left them stranded, returning back by ship finding out that Jesus died, which was a shock to Thomas who could not believe it. And you know the rest of that story.

Q: So that that he has a grave in Japan…if I understand correctly, he died actually simultaneously in Japan, too?

Forces: Correct.

Q: So, he actually…was there any other place where he died simultaneously? Or is it just Japan?

Forces: It is what would be called not to be answered at the moment. This is enough for you to handle.

Q: That’s why Thomas had such a hard time believing.

Forces: Correct.

Q: Thank you. But John didn’t.

Forces: No.

Q: Thank you.

Q: Did John transmigrate, too, since he was at the foot of the cross?

Forces: John came back in a different form like unto the Revelation. Thomas was the only one that then, what would be called then, came back by boat. Remember, Thomas and John went to India. But it was Thomas that went to Japan alone. It was John that left Japan, leaving Jesus and Thomas in Japan alone. At that time John returned at that moment to be with the whole institute. It is strange. All those was there. The correlation of the time element for the Last Supper was that which is the Garden of Gethsemane. And all apostles were there, for they came and went in a different form Thomas was not present in the form we know it at the Last Supper.

Q: Then Tom…then Thomas could have also done the same thing in coming to the cross. Why didn’t he? Or did he?

Forces: Because or that which is burying of the body this particular time. Fear, grief, shock. But this travelling was not a normal boat travelling. He traveled at greater speed because of a wind in back of it.

Q: But he wasn’t at the crucifixion, Thomas?

Forces: In a form, yes. This is what made him come late for he came to understand. This is what makes it complicated for you all to understand. For this whole segment of the crucifixion was the ultimate in the play. And in the ultimate of plays, everything seems to be happening all at once.

Q: Thank you.

Q: Then when Jesus said to John, "You take care of my mother," or something to that effect, he really wasn’t talking to John, but to a spirit of John. Or to, as you said, a Revelation, which means to you.

Forces: He was talking to John physically.

Q: Was Mary also taken up?

Forces: Correct.

Q: How long afterwards?

Forces: A period of twenty-two or what would be called two years, two months.

Q: Why isn’t there any mention about it in the Bible?

Forces: It is interesting not to worry about that. So much is not mentioned in the Bible, that if it was people would not even think of it to believe in Jesus any more.

Q: You mean it wouldn’t suit what we…

Forces: Correct.

Q: All the predictions that Jesus has made in Chapter Twenty-four of Matthew, have they already come true? Or is it now?

Forces: It is an evolution of the spiritual development of mankind that will take millenniums for it to be accomplished.

Q: So things are happening in our generation, too. That means pretty quick.

Forces: Correct.

Q: Thank you.

Q: The Second Coming that was talked about so much, will this be the final coming for the entity Jesus?

Forces: It would be the final coming for the old pattern.

Q: Then Jesus will be for many more…

Forces: Correct.

Q: It’s a fulfillment of a stage of development?

Forces: Correct.

Q: So actually the earth is in what then? In its first stage then?

Forces: New stage.

Q: But since the beginning as we know it till Jesus time there was nobody like Jesus or that brought forth this kind of thing for millions after himself to carry on or to…

Forces: Remember, Jesus is the sum total of everyone’s cooperation.

Q: Yeah. And there was nobody else that was a sum total of everybody’s cooperation before him.

Forces: Not to that particular extent.

Q: So, if he’s the finishing of or of one point and since this is the only point we know of from the Bible or from anywhere that we can know, is it like the first stage? And there will be like more stages…

Forces: Correct.

Q: ...of development?

Forces: Correct. Correct.

Q: Will it be in the physical form? Or will there no more be a physical form?

Q: When Jesus went… I have two questions about the cruci-fixion, and about the time that he was dead, I guess. When he was underneath. Was that…was it…what was the relationship of James, Jesus brother to that situation, to the crucifixion?

Forces: James was involved with the crucifixion also.

Q: Was it him, his body that was up on the cross?

Forces: We would put it into this other type of state-ment. It was a projection force-field that they were working on. It was to sway that which is the negative and positive electrons around the human body to prevent the degration or that of the decay of it. James had a very important role in preserving the physical body during the three days of entombment.

Q: Was he in the physical body what we call alive at that point?

Forces: Which one?

Q: The brother.

Forces: The entity of James or of Jesus?

Q: James.

Forces: Yes. Correct.

Q: Oh. So it was like in the creation? Matter pushing other matter. Creating a barrier of some sort?

Forces: Causing a wall between that which is and that which isn’t. Protective force.

Q: And that’s… that gave Jesus the time that he needed to do whatever he had to do to bring up that body or to protect that body.

Forces: Also to bring up other souls and spirits in the earth.

Q: Did Jesus go down into the earth?

Forces: Correct.

Q: And he actually took like a key of some type from the devil to unlock the dimensional doors?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Could You tell us more about what Jesus was doing, what was happening the three days that he wasn’t on the earth after His crucifixion?

Forces: He went into the middle earth to see the kings of the place to bring a new law of love, patience, cooperation, forgiveness, tolerance, and faith. Question.

Q: Did He have a battle with Lucifer or Satan in the middle of the earth?

Forces: Yes and no. Question.

Q: How did He get the keys to let the people out?

Forces: Simply take them.

Q: But is Lucifer in the middle of the earth?

Forces: He would abode anywhere he would wish.

Session 131-B

September 22, 1977

Q: What was it Jesus and the apostles did in Japan?

Forces: They didn’t dye their hair. They kept it blonde naturally. They were busy in taking care of fish.

Q: What kind of fish?

Forces: Humans.

Q: Human?

Forces: You would find in Japan certain relics left there by Jesus.

Q: What kind of relics?

Forces: You…well, you would find there manuscripts. In fact, you would find the original manuscript that Jesus him-self wrote, on transmutation in a monastery in Sinai.

Q: Santa Catarina?

Forces: Yes.

Q: So it’s not in Japan?

Forces: What’s that?

Q: The manuscript.

Forces: Oh, there is a manuscript in Japan, my dear.

Q: Do the monks in Santa Catarina know that they have a manuscript that was written by Jesus himself?

Forces: Well, let’s say yes…and some say no.

Q: That old man that I met…

Forces: Oh, he would say yes.

Q: Why did he pull me aside? And what was he showing me?

Forces: He was showing you a depiction of the walking of Jesus with his disciples in the field.

Q: Why did he pull me out of those people?

Forces: Because he knew about us.

Q: He did?

Forces: Yeah, he did. And he knew your particular role with us was going to be.

Session 138

January 3, 1978

There was no Tape recorder present at this Session, nor was […] there. The following is a transcription of R’s notes, in which she only tried to record the answers of the Forces. The questions are reconstructed from memory.]

Q: Can you tell us anything about Jesus’s visit to the Americas? And is the Book of Mormon accurate concerning this?

Forces: He did travel to America, India, Japan, Tibet, South America, and Australia, The information contained in the Book of Mormon was received and guided. Jesus was roughly twenty—five to twenty-nine years of life. The Mormons didn’t record it, an Indian recorded it.

Q: Was Jesus the entity known as Quetzalcoatl?

Forces: He had that disease, too! Yes,

Q: Thank you. Now there is this legend of the tree that… dogwood?

Q: Dogwood.

Q: Dogwood…that the cross was made out of that tree for Jesus crucifixion. And since that time, that tree doesn’t grow, or it grows crooked. Is that an accurate?

Forces: We say that that particular tree was used by Moses staff. We also say it was used in a major part of a spiritual law and order. But all houses that have a dogwood in front of them are in its possession that those are the souls that are in prospective understanding and advancing to a spiritual plateau. It is a sign on the spiritual level of the angels.

Q: Like the blood of the lamb?

Forces: Correct.

Q: What wood, then, was used for Jesus cross?

Forces: Well, we would say a combination, but you had a group of cedar and that which would be close. Therefore, let us say dogwood.

Q: Thank you. Then the dogwood is not really growing crooked. It is growing as it always grew. It only may look crooked on this dimension.

Q: Thank you.

Q: Have I had any relations in – previous lifetimes that you can tell me any with the children?

Forces: Three of these children were in the Temple of Beautification. And as said as such in which you had control to work with them. One of the children or the souls you were in-volved with during the period of the French Revolution, also during the period in which we have the word "Camelot". Ten-o-eight.

Q: Thank you.

Q: And that’s what I’m picking up. Now in the time of ten-o-eight, was it in the court of King Arthur?

Forces: Correct.

Q: That was my English experience?

Forces: It was one of many.

Q: That’s why I have the fascination for castles and England?

Forces: One who was also with you at that time was the one who’s named […].

Q: Could we know who we were in that? And what relation?

Forces: You were both sisters. Her name, Lady Guyken, daughter of the Knight of Lion or what would be called Glascow. And you, Princess Elidian daughter of the king that was.

Q: King Arthur? –
Forces: Correct.

Q: Then how was […] my sisters?

Forces: It is what would be called adopted one.

Q: She was my adopted sister.

Forces: At this particular time the knights became be—knighted to relationships.

Q: Oh, like here in the house?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Could you tell us more about Merlin?

Forces: He was a good man.

Q: Is ten-O-eight, is that the ten-O-eight that we understand?

Forces: Ten-O-eight is different from what you will have to understand. From that you should take the period of four hundred years away.

Q: Did Joseph of Aramathea go to England like was said in re-lation-to King Arthur and set up a…

Forces: I would say, yes.

Q: And he had like an initiation school there?

Forces: Correct.

Q: And the knights were…

Forces: Correct.

Q: ...knighted?

Forces: Correct.

Q: How does King Arthur…what does King Arthur represent then that…like the…

Forces: King Arthur represents the Christ Spirit.

Q: And Sir Gallahad?

Forces: Sir Gallahad represents that of Love, or John the Beloved.

Q: And Sir Lancelot?

Forces: Sir Lancelot represents the Sword of […].

Q: Who was Thomas?

Forces: Thomas, Oh he was one who popped up here and there.

Q: Merlin?

Forces: Question.

Q: Was Tom Merlin?

Forces: Let us say, would you believe he was today?

Q: Yes.

Forces: Then you have your answer.

Q: What did Merlin do in Atlantis? Was he like Melchizedek?

Forces: Let us say Merlin, as his name is known to you, was a magician simple doctor of the earth, who did that which the earth atoms dictated for him to do, Melchizedek was also of the same but a higher order of vibration in parts and it was a priestly concern in this area. Melchlzedek had power over much. Merlin had power over a certain state.

Q: Thank you.

Q: So was Merlin involved in Newfoundland also?

Forces: Correct.

Q: That part of Britain, isn’t that that part…

Forces: You would find it as such.

Q: But Merlin was involved there too, he was in that whole territory.

Forces: He was involved in that area as well as Ireland and Scotland and Britain.

Q: Does it mean that the entity Tom is beginning now to fulfil, beginning a fulfillment of something?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Thank you.

Q: Could an understanding of Merlin’s imprisonment in a rock be given? What really happened and is it related to the forces asleep on the island of Britain?

Forces: Let us say it was the imprisonment of the spirit for those who do not want to listen. When the spirit is turned off and not received, then it is put into a state of Epiletic process and sent into a rock to

test, cataclitic atmosphere of test state.

Q: And is that related to the forces that were mentioned as being asleep on the island of Britain? That’s why the entity Tom couldn’t go there till a certain moment?

Forces: This would be electric field throughout the island of Britain.

Q: Thank you. What was it that drew all the knights and kings to Arthur, and what is-there that has drawn so -much power…so much power and events to the island of Britain throughout history?

Forces: The magnetic field that surrounds the island for the psychic and spiritual revelations to the world.

Q: Then was Merlin indeed imprisoned in a rock?

Forces: A state of a rock.

Q: Thank you.

Q: And is all this related to Atlantis and the Atlanteans?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Thank you.

Q: Are we associated in any way with the entity that was Mordred in that period?

Forces: Mordred, yes. Mordred the Morturary. Mordred is those qualities that come into the group to disrupt and dispell and disassociate that which is being built.

Q: They had the Silver Chalice then too?

Forces: They had something we gave them.

Q: You appeared to them in your ships?

Forces: We gave them a Chalice that was different from that which was. Question.

Q: Were the Essenes edited out of the Bible?

Forces: Correct.

Q: So they were mentioned when the Gospels…the people who wrote it…

Forces: Correct.

Q: Why were they edited out and who did it?

Forces: Personal indifference. The Sadducees, the Pharisees, people in power.

Q: And no copy of the original is retained anywhere?

Forces: There are copies of originals contained in jars.

Q: Will they be recovered or will they be destroyed?

Forces: Some have recovered. Others would find the rest under the stone in England.

Q: That’s where the…some of the Apostles were after-wards?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Where is that stone?

Forces: In England.

Q: Thank you.

Forces: Preferably near the Stonehenge.

Q: Tomb?

Forces: Correct.

Q: Stonehenge.

Forces: It was used as a tomb also.

Q: For John?

Forces: No.

Q: For the knights of Arthur?

Forces: That could be said true. We are now ready to depart for the moment. But we will keep our eyes and be with you through this week to guide you all and protect you in many respects productive growing. Greetings to all here present now.

Q: In the books on the Druids(The Power of the Serpent by Peter Valentine Timlett pbk page 67) is the method of establishing the placement of the stones of Stonehenge and various other circles correct?

Forces: Correct

Q: Also the numbers given for the formation of the magic squares?

Forces: Correct.

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